Tuesday, May 26, 2015

1984 Honda XR200R Rebuild

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I actually started motorcycling as a kid.  My first bike was a 1976 Honda CR125 that I bought from a friend  in high school for $75.00.  I was 15 years old at the time and didn't even have a driver's license.  The bike wasn't running and I pushed it about 10 miles to my house.  Over the next year I took it apart,  honed the cylinder head,  put new rings on it,  gaskets,  plugs, wires,  and got it running.  We had a farm that I would run it around on but I would also run it on the streets.  Where we lived most of the streets were still dirt roads.  I didn't have a car license or motorcycle license or a proper helmet,  and the bike certainly wasn't certified for the street.  This would have been 1981 or 82.  That's just how we rolled back then.




Getting out of high school,  I worked on my father's car lot where we used to buy, sell, restore cars trucks bikes RVs snowmobiles Etc.  So we always had a few motorcycles around.  Back in those days none of the salesman on the lot had motorcycle licenses because we would never keep the bikes long enough and back then the plates used to be attached to the vehicle so you wouldn't have to register anything in your own name.  So we would just adopt a bike or car as a daily driver until we sold it.

Eventually the landlord that owned the lot where we had the car dealership sold it from under us and we moved all the vehicles on to our farm.  My father retired and I got out of the business.   It was during my car lot days that I met my wife (then girlfriend)  and later we had kids, so I was away from restoring cars and bikes for sometime.

Getting back into bikes,  I wanted something light enough for the kids to run around on but also large enough for the road. Insurance was another factor since insurance companies go by cc's.

Pickin up bike
Since you can't really take a "road bike" off road, I thought Dual Sport would best fit this application.

Another factor in the decision was it had to be a 4 stroke bike which means the oil and gas are separate. No need for trying to get the right mixture of oil and gas necessary on 2 stroke motors. The 4 strokes are smoother, quieter and more reliable.

Having owned several Hondas in past, I found a 1984 XR200R. This bike has the RFVC engine (Radial Four Valve Chamber). It's a great design. The spark plug sits in the middle of the valves like a hemi design engine allowing for a very even spark / explosion in the chamber.



By using two valves for intake and two for exhaust, they were able to use smaller valves and increased overall diameter, allowing for more air gas mixture to flow and exhaust to exit easier.

My son Alex on bike on trailer
Because you have more diameter in the valves, they also do not need to open as much to create the same air flow AND, since it has two intake and two exhaust valves, it also has Two Carbs and two Exhaust pipes, which lead back into one.

The Dual carb setup is great! The first carb opens until about 1/2 throttle, then the 2nd carb opens (mechanically) giving the best of both worlds, gas saving at low rpms and lots of flow when needed.



Restoration begins

The bike was running when I got it and had been previously licensed for the road. I restored it and added a Baja Lighting kit.

Lots of cold nights in our unheated garage over the winter. Some nights was as cold as -25C! Holding tools, even with gloves on at that temperature, pulls the heat from your hands. I used a Heat Gun to revive my fingers and toes every 45 min or so.

The tires were in good shape but I bought and installed TrailWings Dual Purpose tires. Smoother, better traction on the road and still good for trails.

Next I removed the wheels, unmounted the tires, cleaned up the rims, installed new rim tape, new rim lock on the back (front was ok)

thats me
before

after

thenI installed the new Trail wings. Pretty kewl huh?












Don't forget this piece. It stops the rear axle bolt from loosening up.





 Then I had the stator rewrapped. This seems like a fairly simple straight forward task but it has to be done right. Same amount of wraps no each pole. They used thicker gauge wire to provide more amps but left two poles open (as stock) because wrapping more poles would add watts which could burn things out, wires, fuses etc. After rewrapping, they seal it with some sort of glue which has to cure.

The specifications for the Baja Lighting kit said that this bike does NOT need a stator re-wrap but I found it did. The options was buying a rebuilt stator from the US but the dollar difference and shipping ended up the same cost as having it re-wrapped here in Canada.




The engine had recently been rebuilt and the size of the head is over stock 68mm vs 64. I don't think you can bore a cylinder that much so I assume that the head is a "BigBore kit"


I took everything apart, cleaned it all up, installed new main gasket.. This valve cover gasket was steel so nothing wrong with it. I cleaned it up and reused it.





 still cold!









Here you can see the piston and cylinder are practically new.




 new main gasket


68mm diameter of new cylinder 

before


Cleaned up the head ready for new gasket..


Here's the valve chamber after clean up. You can see the unique design of the Radial Four Valve Chamber (RFVC) engine...
after





Stator and valve head.. actually tried it with the original stator, found it wasn't enough power, then had it re-wrapped.

 dual carbs clean up..




Replaced the main drive oil seal
(it's 20x36x7mm as I found out the hard way after ordering one for XR200.. it came and was 34mm in diameter)


Took the carbs apart....


 cleaned every hole in the atomizers... 

 put WD40 in the jets and blew them out with the air hose.

Bought and installed new seals for the float bowls.

below is the Baja Design lighting kit as it comes packaged. You can see how well the reflectors work.. that looks like the tail light is on but there is no power there, just reflection.


Also lubricated the cables and installed new grips, and touched up some painted areas for cosmetics. So now it looks and runs well. Starts 1st or 2nd kick!

Below is finished product May 2015



oh wait I forgot to mention I bought and installed a new Trailtech bike computer too! reads in KM/H and MPH, records overall distance, two trip meters, clock etc and the numbers are large so you can check your speed at a glance! AND mirrors!









Questions? Leave comments below.
best, Phil



18 comments:

  1. Great job! You now have a rare and valuable bike. I had one but sold it 2 yrs ago for $1,200 US, wish I still had it. Mine had stator problems too, ignition used to cut out when engine got extra hot. I own a 2002 XR200R now, but the 1984 was a much more interesting bike. Hope you are enjoying it

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  2. I have an 84 xr200r, I'm rebuilding her same as you are, she runs but has a low idle, needs some TLC in the carb area and stalls when the engine is warm.coming to.a stop

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    1. have you cleaned the carbs? its not getting gas. The idle can be set higher too but I would start by cleaning the carbs. you can see my pics above how to do it.

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  3. Can you tell me how well the Baja kit has held up and where you ordered it from?

    Great job on the bike by the way!

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    1. Thanks Jeremy, here's a link for the lights; https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/Motorcycle-lighting.asp
      Some kits claim they do not need an upgraded stator but in my case, they did. So I would plan on upgrading your stator as well. The headlight on the kit I got is quartz (and really Bright!) but the signals and brake light are LED. Since the bike never had signals before and the stock headlight was pretty dim, I guess overall, the kit uses more power than stock, so I had to upgrade the stator and as I found out, its not just a matter of wrapping more wire. The wire has to be a thicker gage to allow more amperage. Think of it like a garden hose. The larger diameter will let though more water but your water pressure could stay the same, so you need thicker wire, not more wire. Does that make sense? More wire (wraps) will give you more wattage (like the water PSI) but with more wattage you can burn out wires and lights. Also that stator is a "wet stator" which means it operates in a bath of oil, which means after rewrapping, the stator had to be dipped in resin. I sent mine to a small electric motor shop to do this work. Cost about $300.00 CDN.

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  4. I just bought my son a 84 xr200r it won't start unless you pull start it the carbs are clean I went to adjust the valves the right intake valve won't adjust I loosen the adjuster bolt all the way loose and still can't get a feeler gauge between the valve stem and rocker and also is there a way to adjust the timing chain any insight would be greatly appreciated thanks

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    1. Sounds like you have a stuck valve. The bike may start even if your valve is not opening all the way properly becuase a) it's got two intakes and two exhaust valves but this is not cool in higher RPMS when it wants more gas/air mixture. First try to free the valve. 2nd, it could be that the cam's getting worn down and not opening the valve enough. You only need 4 things for it to run, gas, air, spark and compression. If it will only start by push starting it, could be that the kick start needs replacing but this is rare. Here are some videos that might be helpful; https://youtu.be/Zj56xfh7MYM, https://youtu.be/50l3dPXIMco, https://youtu.be/nZ3JY9fbTAE, https://youtu.be/ga_apq9qDCI, let me know if they help.

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    2. Thanks for your response I'm going to tear into it this weekend I'll let you know what I find fingers crossed nice bike by the way I bought this one for my son cause I had one identical to it I just thought it would be neat for him to have one also I'd rather put money into it than these throw away bikes they're building these days thanks again sir

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    3. Took the cylinder head off today it has 3 burnt valves that's not available through Honda do you have a source for valves on these engines thanks again

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    4. I sent you an email let me know if you got it.

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    5. I didn't see an email but I did find everything on Ebay used in great condition bought 2 sets of valves and head with a piston and cylinder sleeve also a set of carbs for little less than 300 dollars I ground all the valves in had a hard time getting the timing chain sprocket back on the cam but it's all together running great now I appreciate your insight on everything oh the username on Ebay is kellysbikeparts he seem to have alot of parts for these bikes

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  5. this might also be helpful... https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1107014-cdi-retard-and-advance-honda-xr200/

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  6. Phil,

    Thanks for your help! I can get the Baja kit from several different places (although Baja designs doesn’t seem to carry it directly anymore). I’ll be taking the stator off and sending it in.

    I looked into the tires you put in as well. I like the idea of having a little bit more friendly road tires.

    My exhaust side panel was melted at some point when the exhaust got too hot. By chance, have you had any luck finding side panels? I have seen a few on eBay but they are usually in rough shape

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    1. Hi Jeremy, Knobby tires on the road are absolutely useless, especially in rain! 2) they wear out really fast too. The Trailwings I used were great on the road and in rain. They were "decent" off road but noticeably more skittish than the knobbies for off road. Its impossible to get one tire to do both perfectly. That's why they have road bikes and off road bikes.
      Good luck with the plastics! Id try all online resources like ebay, amazon, kijiji, craigslist.. google "motorcycle wreckers" Sometimes they don't list parts on line so you could call them and ask. Another good source is facebook groups. Sometimes there are buy and sell motorcycle parts groups, or "marketplace". Like finding a needle in a haystack. Maybe someone is parting out a whole bike or you could just buy a 2nd whole bike. I have a box of engine parts, you could basically build another engine less the carbs.

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  7. I have 1984 xr 200r I’m trying to rebuild but I am looking for an intake probably need somebody to rebuild carburetors

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